Ep.5 Alchemy Part 3: Creating conscious & intentional impact

Across 3 episodes in season 4, Katie talks with master coach Lori Shook about  Alchemy: The Art and Science of co-facilitation. Based on ORSC concepts the alchemy approach was designed to help pairs create magical co-deliveries, whether they be co-coaching, co-facilitating, or co-parenting! ​Magical co-facilitation, inspired participants, deep learning – these things don’t just happen. However, you can learn the tools and techniques that can help you and your partner to consistently and intentionally create successful, transformative, high-impact learning experiences together. In the final instalment of this 3-part series on alchemy, we explore the power of being conscious and intentional about our impact. Across this conversation we discuss:

• Why the energy of the facilitators' matters
• Creating conscious and intentional emotional fields
• The magic of Metaskills when co-leading

Lori Shook is a pioneer in the coaching world: she jumped into the budding field of coaching in the mid-1990s, earned the designation of Master Certified Coach by 2001 and has been training coaches for over 20 years. Lori has coached small business owners, managers, and executives around the world. She has worked with leaders in a variety of organisations including large multinationals and small to mid-sized businesses. As a pioneer in the coaching world, she was a driving force for the global expansion of coaching as she helped spread CoActive coaching across North America and helped introduce coaching to many countries throughout EMEA.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Transcript

Key 

KC – Katie Churchman 

LS - Lori Shook

[Intro 00:00 – 00:06] 

KC – Hello and welcome back to the Relationship Matters podcast. We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity, to nature, to the larger whole. I’m your host, Katie Churchman, and across three episodes in season four I’m speaking with master coach Lori Shook about alchemy, the art and science of co-facilitation. Based on ORSC concepts, the alchemy approach was designed to help pairs create magical co-deliveries, whether they be co-coaching, co-facilitating or co-parenting. Magical co-facilitation inspired participants and deep learning. These things don’t just happen, however you can learn the tools and techniques that can help you and your partner to consistently and intentionally create  successful, transformative, high impact learning experiences together. Lori Shook is a pioneer in the coaching world. She jumped into the budding field of coaching in the mid 1990s, earned the designation of master certified coach by 2001 and has been training coaches for over 20 years. Lori has coached small busines owners, managers, and executives around the world. She has worked with leaders in a variety of organizations including large multinationals and small to mid-sized businesses. Lori was was a driving force for the global expansion of coaching as she helped spread CoActive coaching across North America and helped introduce coaching to many countries throughout EMEA. She contributed to the creation of quality scalable programs and training excellence for three international coaching training schools including CRR Global. Lori is highly respected for her talent in coaching and training coaches. Consistent with her educational background in the sciences, she regularly integrates neuroscience into the coaching and training work she does with leaders, coaches and teams. With her practical and no-nonsense approach, she makes coaching and personal development a pragmatic yet deep process. In part three of this three part series on alchemy, we explore the power of being conscious and intentional about our impact. Across this conversation we discuss why the energy of the facilitators' matters, creating conscious and intentional emotional fields and the magic of metaskills when co-facilitating. So without further ado I bring you, Lori Shook. 

KC – Hi Lori, welcome back to the Relationship Matters podcast for part three of alchemy.

LS – Thanks Katie, it’s great to be back. Happy to be here. 

KC – Yeah, so over the course of the last two episodes we’ve discussed some of the strictures like aligning around coaching outcomes and experiential learning as an approach that can create the conditions for the magic of co-coaching or co-facilitation. And in this final episode together we’re going to talk about another key ingredient in alchemy – being conscious and intentional together. So, tell me, why is this essential when co-leading? 

LS – So, it’s being conscious and intentional about our energy and our way we are and what we’re emanating, if I can use that word, what we’re spreading in the room – the silent stuff. So we can be conscious and intentional about our structure but we can also be conscious and intentional about our energy, our emotions, the emotional field that we broadcast from us. Because energy and emotions are contagious, and sometimes if we’re unconscious about that we’ll put the wrong kind of energy in the room and the things that we wanna do and all that structure we had prepared can go off the rails because we’re not matching the energy that we need for the work we wanna do. 

KC – What are some of the elements involved in being conscious and intentional? Because I imagine it’s easier to say than to actually do and to be in practice. 

LS – Yeah. So there’s attitude, our mindsets, our thoughts and what we’re thinking and how we view people, it’s also our energy, the emotions that we bring, what we convey. And it’s metaskills which really is our ORSCy way of doing energy and attitude, and brining energy and attitude. So metaskills, silence, that magical stuff we do while we’re using some kind of tool, some kind of skill. The meta part of the skill. 

KC – So, I’m wondering if we start first then with the energy that the facilitators or co-coaches bring and what that matters. 

LS – So, I touch on neuroscience every now and then, you know, what our brains are doing, and our bodies, our energy is contagious. So, if I show up and I’m irritated or angry, it’s gonna come across in many ways, maybe in my voice, maybe in the way I stand, maybe in the way I feel, and even if I try to hide it, sometimes that feeling escapes and it impacts other people. You’ve probably been in a room or on a bus or standing next to somebody and you can feel that they are just steaming, you know, and while that may be a really big experience of that, it also happens in really small ways. So we need to be attending to how we show up individually and collectively. Now, as individuals we might be showing up, you know, in a really beautiful way, and there’s something funky in our relationship where maybe we’re not getting on so well and maybe we’re a little irritated with one another, that to, that energy of irritation between us will also get into the room. It’s like it seeps in really quietly, people feel something, even if they don’t know what it is. 

KC – So how can we be conscious and intentional with our energy because I know a lot of people might say ‘well, this is what I’ve got today so I’m going to have to bring this’ – what would you say to that? 

LS – Yeah, that’s the authentic thing to do, right? That’s not me. I say, you know, it’s not about violating yourself but it is about a certain kind of professionalism. You know, the job to do is to bring out a particular program or to coach a team and what the team needs is a certain kind of energy. And so it’s not about violating yourself but about adapting to what’s needed, you know? The group needs some positivity from you right now. The group needs some safety. You’re not feeling safe within yourself, somehow you’ve gotta dig deep and find it for the sake of the group. For the sake of those learning the outcomes that we talked about in our first session, you know. Everything we do, every way we be needs to be about those learning outcomes. So what’s the energy the group needs in order to get to that place we need to get too? 

KC – We can make that then our higher intention, chose to be with that as opposed to the fact that we’re tired because we got off a plane last night and we’re going straight into this session. 

LS – Absolutely. Yeah. What does the group need? And, you know, you might need to say hey group, just want you to know I’m feeling really sad today or I’m really, you know, this or that, you might notice a little bit of that, I’m doing my best to set that aside because I’m here for you. Not to make it all about you but just in case you know some of that energy is coming into the room, you want people to know something about it so they know what they’re feeling. Ah, ok, she’s got that going on. And don’t make it all about that. Say that’s what’s going on, set it aside, and I’m here for you, and then find that energy in you that the group needs. 

KC – Yeah, what I find fascinating about this piece particularly is we have this sense sometimes that we are stuck in the way we are in that moment, and yet if we were in a burning building, one intention might be to run out, whereas another intention, if we knew that there were kids in the building would be to go and save the kids. So there’s like this pull in different directions, quite literally, and the same can be true for our clients. We might be feeling tired or we might be feeling like there’s conflict with our co-coach, our co-lead, but then also if our intention is to bring positivity can we align together around that and make that our higher intention, I guess? 

LS – Yeah, exactly. How do we do that and how do we use ourselves because we are such instruments with such potential and breadth and range and we can tap into those different states. So I’m, you know, I want to ask you, you’ve been trained as an actress, how do you access different energy states? Because that’s what matters if you’re going on to do a show or a play or something, you can’t go oh yeah, well I’m really sad today so… How do you access those different energy states? 

KC – Yeah, so there’s a common misconception in acting that it’s about placing a character on top of who you are, yet in reality what really good actors do is they stretch into different parts of who they are. And as human beings, and particularly as coaches, we can do the same. We can stretch and we have more range that we often realize. So when I hear the words that’s not me or I’m not that or that’s not authentic, well I’ll say well that’s not familiar to you yet. It’s not your default operating state. But the more we stretch the more that becomes our new comfort zone and I think that’s how I like to hold it, it’s that we always have this range and we don’t know how wide, how vast it can stretch. 

LS – Exactly, absolutely. Let’s put that in the alchemy curriculum because that’s exactly it. We have, we can stretch into so many different parts of ourselves, and that’s what we’re asking for this bit about energy. Yes, you may be this way or that way, sad or angry or whatever today, and you’ve got so many other parts. How do you consciously and intentionally stretch into those parts? Because that’s what your group needs. 

KC – And I think so often we try and think our way into different energies, don’t we? We try and think our way into a certain way of being and it’s quite hard, isn’t it? I mean you know this from the neuroscience. 

LS – Yeah. You can’t just say ok we’re going to be fun now. Although attitude, I know the next place we’re going, to talk about attitude, but that’s a kind of way of thinking, it’s not thinking oh I’m going to be fun, it’s thinking how do I now think new thoughts and think different ways because that can help me have a different attitude which can help me have a different energy. So there’s nothing wrong with some thinking, it’s just not that ok, I’m going to think fun right now. 

KC – So, again, it adds to you, it isn’t so much about saying we’re going to be fun, but it’s also about making that a part of your being. And does that happen then before you even end up in the room as co-coaches? 

LS – Absolutely, I think it’s part of the planning, well before you’re there on the day. So we’ve got this program planned, we’ve got these outcomes, what’s the energy and attitudes we need to have? How do we need to show up, some other word some people like and some people don’t, how do we need to show up so that we can infuse the room with the energy that’s needed, and you can decide that ahead of time. Of course when you see the room you might need to adjust it because there might be something going on in the room or something in the world might have happened, but there’s a lot you can plan with that. You know, if we’re doing something like a meditation practice within our day, whether it’s part of coaching or anything else, you know, we don’t wanna be bringing our rock star energy. Right? Meditation has a calmness and a mindfulness to it, we want to bring our voices to that, we wanna bring our attitudes and our energy, and we just with the way we’re being can create a more meditative space. But if we’re teaching salsa and we wanna have some fun and then we also need to bring that side of ourselves, we’ve gotta go ok, let’s go, let’s go. And that has a huge impact, just attitude, the tone of voice. It’s not just tone of voice but you know, our whole way of being. And our whole way of being with our co-facilitators as well. 

KC – So how do you help yourself, and a co-coach perhaps when you’re in that relationship, to shift into different states in service of the coaching outcomes and client? 

LS – I think it’s totally magic. [Laughs] How dowe do that? I mean it takes work, it takes personal work, it takes agreement, it’s at this point we’re going to need to calm ourselves, let’s remind each other of that and tap into this as a practice, as a pair, we might need to practice those things, like let’s be in our meditative state or our safety space, how do we do that together? We might need to experience it before we get into the room together so we know, how do we hold this calm, cool, collected state for our clients when they are going to be going into a tough conversation? How do we do that? Let’s practice it. And at that part of the day when we’re going to be playing a little bit, how do we get playful or how do we provide what the room needs so they can be playful? We might need to practice that and explore the breadth of our relationship, not just the breadth of our individuality, the breadth of our relationship. 

KC – And what the listeners can’t see right now is that your physicality changed in those two statements, you weren’t just saying these things. You sat back in your chair when you were in the calmer place and you started to use your hands more when you were fun, and so it’s as much as what’s going on in the body for you as thinking I’m going to be fun. 

LS – Right! Right, we have to be it with our whole selves because our body is doing things and that produces energy that impacts people, our tone of voice, our thinking, our attitudes, because that changes how we think and what we’re going to say, you know it actually changes our thoughts. We can use our bodies and as we use our bodies it informs the brain ok, this is the way we’re being right now and the brain changes and the chemistry changes and that’s important, the way our body’s being supports what we say, supports our attitude. So it works body brain, brain body. Back and forth. Our whole selves. 

KC – I so often come back to the idea that there are more pathways running from the body to the brain than the brain to the body. Because we so often try and think our way into things, like I’m going to be confident, and yet the body’s like nah, nah we’re not, the body’s backing away. Whereas you can stand confidently, ground our feet, shoulders back, the brain’s going to join. The brain’s going to join the party because it doesn’t really have an option at that point. You’re in play. 

LS – Yeah. It might take a little moment or two for the brain to catch up but it does, and then it serves you. 

KC – Yeah! And so then I wonder about the combination of these and metaskills. 

LS – Yeah, so metaskills, that ORSC term that we use, well, it’s from Amy Mendell originally but, metaskills, the thing we do, the thing we project, the way we do things. So we might have a particular thing that we do like asking questions but if we use different metaskills we ask that question in a different way. So it’s all that being state. And the metaskills help create that attitude and energy. We can put names to different kinds of metakills. So we communicate together, oh, we’re taking on that metaskill of safety. Metaskill of surprise, the metaskill of calm or the metaskill of fun. And that’s a way for us to think about it together, maybe that’s where the thinking thing comes in. It’s oh we’re going to use a metaskill of fun. But it needs to be a door that we actually open and step into, you know, and then use our body, not just think about we’re going to do this. So metaskills are, they’re magical really, and this whole thing about energy and attitude, it’s all part of the magic of how we have an impact. 

KC – And so then how does that look within a co-coaching relationship. Do we pick the same metaskills or do we have a blend? 

LS – That’s a great question because, well in alchemy we talk about a blend. 

KC – Ok. 

LS – And we call that blend, we call this whole piece that we do in alchemy, we call is spell casting. Like magicians, you know, Harry Potter has his, you know, magical wand, magic wand that he can cast a wand, and witches, you know, cast a spell. We’re always casting a spell meaning we have an impact. So we say that a spell consists of a multiple set of metaskills. So we’re kind of cooking up a potion – a little bit of fun, a little bit of safety, a little bit of intrigue. And some of those might come more from me, and some of them might come from my co-facilitator, my co-coach, maybe my co-coach is better at intrigue, so naturally we have it in our relationship, and maybe I bring a little more safety so we can lean in to each other, we don’t have to match each other, but we need to understand that our combination of energy creates something in the room. And sometimes you know there’s relationships where, you know, the essence of the relationship might be a little sparky, it might be fun sparky, it might be conflict sparky? You know there might be a little bit of essence of like antagonism or something like that. If that’s there we need to address it. And we might only know about it by getting feedback from people. 

KC – And I guess as well the relationship there is a door for us to expand our range then, because if we tend to take a role or they, we lean on the other person to do something or to be something in that space together, maybe we can stretch and try on something different. 

LS – Absolutely, because if it’s always the other person bringing the safety and always this one bringing, you know, edge, it starts to separate us and we get role nausea, besides, you know, I’m tired of being the one who always is this way, you know, I want to have a little bit of that loving safety thing too. So yes, we need to stretch ourselves and we can use our co-facilitators brilliance to learn from. Ok, I can mimic that a little bit and maybe talk their talk and be like them to learn how. 

KC – So what would you do in the instance that you’ve done all the work, you’ve got your coaching outcomes, you’ve aligned around the experiential learning approach and you’ve designed your energy and your attitude, these metaskills that bring that to life, and yet in the room it’s falling flat and maybe you’ve said one metaskill but something else is showing up, there’s a gap between how you think you’re being and how you’re actually landing on the group – what would you do then? 

LS – Take a break, talk to your co-coach… 

KC – Ok. 

LS – and, I mean it isn’t always about a break, you might just notice something’s falling flat, what do I need to bring here? What does the room need? And I think this is the order of it, what does the room need? Let’s say the room needs a little more spark or fun. What do I need to bring in order to create that? It isn’t always fun for me to create fun in the room. I’ve seen it happen where the co-facilitators wanted to create fun in the room and they were all fun and perky and it terrorized everybody in the room. Like who are these weird people? That doesn’t… your own metaskills of fun, like it’s in your own little bubble, doesn’t necessarily create fun for others. So what is it? And I think this is new thinking for some people? What is it you need to create to have the impact of inviting fun. It might be a little bit of fun, it might be a lot of fun, but you need to experiment with this. Great, it’s falling flat over there, right, I see that, what do I need to do in order to shift the energy? Maybe it’s name it. Maybe it’s bringing different metaksills. Maybe it’s bringing safety. Maybe it’s just having a shift. And having a break with your co-coach and talking about it, or other co-facilitator, and talking about it and saying what’s happening in the room, what do we need to bring? You know, that falling flat might actually be a signal to something and we can always pay attention to it instead of fixing it, we can also go ok, maybe we unfold this flatness and find out what’s going on. And with that, that would require different metaskills. 

KC – I love what you’re pointing to around the fact that certain metaskills will land differently on the group, particularly if they’re more unfamiliar to us. So I find engaging and bubbly very easy, they come to me sort of naturally and that’s kind of my default range. Whereas if I try and do more of a disturber, take on more of a disturber role, that attitude doesn’t take me far enough, so sometimes I have to put the word fierce in my mind to take me to disturber because it’s so far from my primary, and I sometimes wonder about, for example, if someone isn’t fun in their default, maybe they even need to go to silly to get what’s needed in the room. 

LS – Yes, yeah. Our own perception of what is fun or what is fierce or what is disturber may be very different than the participants version of that, and so we may have to be going out of our comfort zone and to be going into what you call fierce which may come across as, you know, somewhat bold, to people, you know like oh my god, I was so fierce over there, you know, and actually it was like wow, that presence looked really good on you Katie! So it’s a matter of scale, it’s a matter of perception and it’s a matter of our deciding to go there. 

KC – I do a lot of this work in presentation skills and personal impact and one lady was trying to come across as confident and the room was reading, they were getting calm and shy and quiet so they were really far, big gaps, and so I put arrogant in her mind and she started to get to confident, so that was an interesting reminder of very much that. 

LS – Yeah, exactly. So sometimes to get to the place we wanna be we have to way over calibrate. 

KC – Yeah. And I think what this points me to again, and it’s always a wonderful reminder, so many of these episodes come back to the fact that when we’re doing the work with our clients, we’re also doing the work with ourselves with that co-coaching relationship. 

LS – Yes. Absolutely. If you are not interested in personal development then you shouldn’t be a coach. That’s my firm belief because it grows and as it grows you have to stay present and growing ourselves. Keep meeting our clients in all their different needs. 

KC – I think it’s easier isn’t it, in a way, to say I wanna help people help themselves, and it’s all out there, and yet it’s always that parallel process of what’s happening here in system one, in me system. 

LS – Yeah. It is. And if we don’t have that sorted out, system one, yourself and the system of your co-coach, if we don’t have that sorted out or have some control over it, and I don’t mean in a controlling sense but you know, if we can’t be conscious and intentional about it, we’ll have less of an impact than we could.

KC – I wonder before we finish if we could reflect on the alchemy arc as a whole and the magic that emerges when we have structures and the metaskills in place with our co-coach. 

LS – It’s a bit complex, I think of it as a package that all hangs together and what we try to do in alchemy is pull it apart and say here’s your learning structure, here’s your focus on outcomes and here’s your way of being. Those are separate but they aren’t separate in reality, we bring them all back together and they all work together. It’s everything for the sake of the outcomes. Everything for the sake of what the client group needs. I’m not sure if that’s the kind of summery you were thinking of? 

KC – No, I love it. I think, coming back to the what, how, why we mentioned in episode two, what is our toolkit and then the how is this way of being, whether that be the metaskills we bring, the energy, the attitude, the processes we use, and then the why was the course, the coaching outcomes, where are we going, what’s the arc of this journey? 

LS – And all the metaskills and energy and all that is part of the how, how do we get people from where they are to where they want to go, or we want them to go. 

KC – And so what happens when we don’t have the how? When there’s an absence of the how? We’ve focused on the why and we’ve focused on the what, perhaps the things that are more easier to grasp in our minds. What happens then? 

LS – We might get lucky and it might work out ok, you know, we might naturally without thinking about it have all of the bits of how all lined up and working for the client group, but that might also limit us in the kinds of teams that we can work with. And I’ve heard that in coaches, too. Oh, I only work with these kinds of clients because that’s what I’m appropriate for. Like ok, well, that’s ok but you know, if you want with a large number group you might want to stretch yourself in those different ways, expand your range and expand your range of clients. But if you don’t have that consciousness at all, so if you don’t have that consciousness at all or willing to stretch, then you’re limiting who you can work with because you can only work with your default. 

KC – And so then in terms of that co-coaching dynamic, how is this different with a co-coach than it is, say, on our own. Say if we’re working with a smaller group or individual, how does this show up differently when you’ve got that magic of two? 

LS – The magic of two is bigger than the two. Because when you work with a co-coach you have not just your range plus their range, you’ve got more safety to expand your own personal range. I can go a lot further one direction or the other when I have a co-coach next to me because I know if I go too far they’ll balance it. We need to talk about that as well, it’s like I’m gonna really go for it and really try to dig out this conflict that’s happening in this group, really shine a light on it, which is a risk. You know, I can take a bigger risk like that with a co-coach than I can with, than I feel comfortable by myself because there’s no one else to rescue me, they’ll label me the one who’s the disturber, but I also have to play the role of the other. So I think there’s… and maybe that’s not true. Maybe that’s just me, that I feel like I have more range when I’m with a co-coach. So I think when we have co-coaches we have a broader range, four eyes and four ears and two bodies and brains that pick up all the energy in the room and there’s much more we can attend to, there’s more safety for us, there’s more risks we can take, there’s more comfort perhaps. It’s usually a lot more fun, we’re sharing, we’re in it together, we’ve got this relationship, we’re leveraging. When we’re by ourselves, you know there are some great things about being on your own. You don’t have to invest all that time in building your relationship and you can do whatever the heck you want and you don’t have to worry about shifting gears and going in a different direction and making sure your co-coach knows that that’s what you’re doing and why, so there’s a little more freedom when working on your own and a little more responsibility but more fun working with a partner. 

KC – And I guess they serve as a mirror as well, remind you how you’re showing up in that relationship. 

LS – Absolutely. You can get feedback right then and there. Wow, did I go too far, did I do….? You can ask your co-coach  what they saw and thought and it can be very comforting, that ok, great, I’m in an ok place or, you know what, I need, going on one my co-coach just said I need to go apologize or something. 

KC – That was mentioned on another podcast about when co-coaching, they feel more courageous.

LS – Yeah. There’s someone by my side who’s got my back. 

KC – Yeah. Feels like a wonderful space to be in. To play in and to take risks in, and after all that we’ve talked about over these three episodes, what’s a final thought you want to leave us with, Lori, around alchemy? 

LS – I think a final thought is about investing in relationship because that’s what it requires. You can create so much magic with a client group, whether it’s a facilitation, training or a coaching that you’re doing with a team. Or even one-to-one coaching sometimes, or even running a meeting. If you’re doing that with a partner really leverage that relationship, invest in it, design it, because that relationship can take you really far and create so much magic for your clients. 

KC – Brilliant. Walking our talk in that relationship system before we meet the other system. 

LS – Yeah, absolutely. We haven’t talked a lot about that but that’s a whole part of this too, is we need to walk our talk. Demonstrate with one another. Demonstrate from the relationship what we’re trying to get the team to do, for example. 

KC – This has been such an insightful set of discussions Lori. Thank you so much for brining your wisdom to the show and I’m excited to dance more with alchemy with my co-leads and co-coaches down the line. 

LS – That’s great to hear, that’s great to hear. It’s been a pleasure. You’re so fun to talk to Katie so I’ve really loved these three sessions that we’ve done, thank you so much for the opportunity and, you know, thank you for the opportunity to talk more about alchemy and get more information about alchemy out there in the world. I really appreciate that. I think it’s a great set of tools for people to have and I’d love more people to know about it. 

KC – Absolute pleasure, thank you Lori, take care. 

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KC – A huge thanks to Lori Shook for these three fascinating episodes on alchemy. In part three we explored being conscious and intentional with our impact. And here are my key takeaways. Our energy and emotions are contagious. The energy of the individual facilitator matters and the energy of the partnership, how the partners relate to one another, matters because it’s all contagious. Co-facilitators need to model great relationship and positivity in the relationship in order to walk the talk of their work. Attitude matters. Positivity is important for learning. Judgement and reactive brains can shut down learning. In addition, disagreements or frustration between co-facilitators will leak in to the group, as will competitive feelings, one upmanship and radically different approaches which create a tug of war. That doesn’t mean you can’t be different. In fact, you want to leverage your differences. Allow people to see two slightly different approaches but make sure that both of you are aligned with these different approaches. Metaskills are the means to creating the energy you want. It’s helpful to think through the energy that’s needed for the work you want to do. What do you want to create in the room and when might you need to shift your metaskills in order to serve the system in front of you? Alchemy, the art and science of co-facilitation is an ICF accredited course available in a virtual or in-person format, depending on your location. Whether delivered in-person or virtual, experiential learning and active participation are at the core of the alchemy course. During the course you work primarily with a designated partner. You can sign up with someone you’re already working with to deepen that relationship, or you can sign up solo where you’ll be assigned a partner and you’ll learn the joys of developing a powerful relationship from the very beginning. For more information about the alchemy approach and for information about upcoming courses please visit CRRGlobal.com/course/alchemy. Thank you for listening to the Relationship Matters podcast. If you enjoyed this episode please share it with your colleagues and friends so that we can continue to spread these ideas across the globe, and if you haven’t already, do subscribe wherever you get your podcasts to make sure you never miss an episode. And for more information on the ORSC courses please visit CRRGlobal.com. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. We believe Relationship Matters from humanity to nature to the larger whole. 

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