Ep.11 The Magic of Metaskills

In this episode Katie talks with ORSC faculty leader and CRR Canada partner, Kerry Woodcock about the magic of Metaskills. 

The concept of metaskills was first introduced by Amy Mindell and has since been enhanced and leveraged in key tools in the ORSC approach. A metaSkill is the attitude, stance, philosophy, or “come from” place that both the leader and team members stand in when doing this work. The intentional use of MetaSkills provides an invaluable skillset that can improve overall performance and connectivity. MetaSkills are like rooms that can be stepped into, which then ‘perfume’ the work.  

Kerry Woodcock leads change for a world of change, by both holding and challenging leaders, organizations and social systems to amplify the power of relationship—for it is powerful relationship that creates meaningful change. Kerry is an International Coach Federation Professional Certified Coach, certified in Co-active Coaching and Organizational and Relationship Systems Coaching, with a doctorate in Geography and Environmental Management. Kerry’s training and research in human and social development is combined with over twenty-five years of practical experience in partnering with leaders and their organizations on their growth and development journeys. She has worked in a range of organizational contexts, from Non-Governmental Organizations to corporations and government in a variety of industries, from Forestry to Energy, and Engineering and Finance to Media and Communications and Libraries, and across cultures, from UK and Spain to Tanzania and Ethiopia and Canada and USA. British-born, she is based in Canada with the world as her playground. She is the Director of Novalda and CRR Canada.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Transcript

Key 

KC – Katie Churchman

KW - Kerry Woodcock

[Intro 00:00 00:06] 

KC – Hello and welcome back to the Relationship Matters podcast. We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity, to nature, to the larger whole. In this episode I’m talking with ORSC faculty leader and CRR Canada Leader Kerry Woodcock about the magic of metaskills. The concept of metaskills was first introduced by Amy Mindell and has since been enhanced and leveraged in key tools in the ORSC approach. A metaSkill is the attitude, stance, philosophy, or come from place that both the leader and team members stand in when doing this work. The intentional use of metaskills provides an invaluable skillset which can improve overall performance and connectivity. Metaskills are like rooms that can be stepped into, which then perfume the work. Kerry Woodcock leads change for a world of change, by both holding and challenging leaders, organizations and social systems to amplify the power of relationship, for it is powerful relationship that creates meaningful change. Kerry’s training and research in human and social development is combined with over 25 years of practical experience in partnering with leaders and their organizations on their growth and development journeys. She’s worked in a range or organizational contexts and a variety of different industries. From forestry to energy, engineering to finance, media and communications to libraries, across cultures from the UK, Spain, Tanzania, Ethiopia, Canada and the USA. British born, she is based in Canada with the world as her playground. She’s director Novalda and CRR Canada. So without further ado I bring you the wonderful Kerry Woodcock, talking about the magic of metaskills. 

KW – Ah, it’s nice to be here. 

KC – So Kerry, welcome to the Relationship Matters podcast, it’s a delight to have you on the show finally. 

KW – Aw, it’s so nice to be here and just be in your space, I’ve listened to many of them and I really love the atmosphere that you create alongside those that you’re talking too so, thank you. 

KC – Thank you Kerry. I’m wondering, off the back of our sigh coming into this conversation, what metaskill are you bringing into our conversation about metaskills today? 

KW – Oh, hey! I think as I’m coming in, I was just looking as you were pressing record, I was looking at your face. I think we’ve both got smiley faces quite often, not all the time, I don’t always have a smiley face but as I sort of looked into you I just wanted to be in this space of enjoying and taking in and just basking in the sun so maybe it’s basking, I think, yeah. 

KC – Aw, I love that. Nice. 

KW – What about you? I’m curious about you now. 

KC – Ooh, I’m definitely bringing in presence to this conversation. Presence and connection. 

KW – Yeah, and I’ve felt that in those other calls as a listener, too. So, thank you.  

KC – So pleased. So, I’m wondering, for our listeners who may not be familiar with the idea of metaskills, I’m wondering if you can introduce what a metaskill is. 

KW – Yeah. So, a metaskill is like an attitude, a philosophy, a stance, that we bring to a space, to a conversation. And I love the way, I don’t know if it’s Marita or Faith brought into the space, but it’s like that, you know when you perfume the room with energy, I think of it as an energy as well, so when you perfume the room and it’s just like envelopes everything and it’s like that piece when the space is right then everything is right, so when the space is right, pretty magic can happen. The other piece that I really, I’ve been exploring a little bit more, is that piece of what’s happening inside me in any moment, in relationship to another or a system? And how am I checking in with that and noticing, how do I chose, what am I sensing in me, what’s coming through me in the system and what does the system need as well, so it’s not just that we pick any old metaskill, when we could because we get to create that space, but how do we be even more intentional with intentionally setting a space. So that’s quite circular as I say it, but that’s the place that I’m really curious with metaskills now. 

KC – Hmm, I really love that. So it’s not just about the energy or, as you say, the perfume that you bring to a room, it’s also about meeting the energy or the perfume in a certain setting or coaching engagement or meeting that you find yourself in. 

KW – I suppose it is being at choice in different times isn’t it, it’s like noticing what’s over there, noticing what’s here and, I’ve been in coach supervision training over the last few months and, you know, it’s really in that space that I start to notice oh, I was with a supervisor today being supervised on my supervision and sort of just noticing how different I am with different supervisees and then thinking around the team coaching that I do, am I different with different teams, am I different with different one-on-one clients, and what is, you know, which parts of me do I bring out, which metaskills do I chose to bring into those spaces as well and what’s that about, what am I making up, is over there with the other and what they need from me and what I should bring out from me and what do I need also as well? So, again, that cyclical piece is really fascinating and really very interesting to me. 

KC – Yeah, it feels as if it’s shifted from being a one way process to a circular, sort of, transfer of energy. And as you were speaking I was thinking about it’s one thing to be intentional about terms of what you’re taking in terms of energy, and I’m sure when we’ve got back to back Zoom calls we’re not all that intentional all the time. So that’s one thing, to be intentional about I’m going to take in a calm and helpful energy into this call, but then it’s another thing then to meet this energy and be somewhat transformed and intentional about then what happens with that meeting and where do you go from there. 

KW – Yeah. I think that’s the, and I don’t know about you but I’m always having these conversations in my head as a coach or as a supervisor and it’s like ok, I’m getting this urge to bring something. So, sometimes it might be, sometimes I’m frustrated and I’ve got this urge to be like really?! Let’s shift this energy that’s here in the space right now, and it might come from a woo, joyous, friendly energy, but sometimes for me I’m actually frustrated with my clients and I’m like wondering, would me showing my frustration, would me coming from frustration be useful at this moment? And then there’s a part of me that goes oh no, you shouldn’t bring frustration, but at feel like when I have at times shared what’s going on for me, I’m feeling some frustration here now in what’s happening, but even sharing it from there, I’m frustrated, anyone else frustrated? It can be powerful at times, although I always love having my wonderful colleagues beside me if it goes pear shaped as we say in the UK, if it goes a bit wonky, that there’s another soft space to come in and bring another energy into the space. So, yeah, like knowing when to do that or being ok with not knowing and just going for it and seeing what actually happens, it can feel awkward and uncomfortable still but there’s normally this urge that I’m going more and more with as time goes by, rather than holding it back. 

KC – Yeah, it’s that intuitive intelligence that I so often ignore. In one coaching session recently I was going through with my supervisor and my gut was telling me that I was bored of this conversation, they were having this story just go round and round and round, and I never brought that too them and I think in a way that was a disservice to the system because that was a signal, and in a way, perhaps I would have said it in a more skillful way, perhaps I wouldn’t have. I think what you’re leading too is perhaps the idea that maybe metaskills aren’t something that we plonk on top, maybe it’s the metaskills within us, the metskills in me, and leaning into those in terms of what you take in but also what you take out of what they’re saying, that’s interesting. 

KW – It really is. And I know that in dipping back into Amy Mendell’s work, it very much is of that place of what’s our belief? At that core level, what’s our belief about our client that might actually drive what’s showing up in us, like you say, and like boredom is a thing for me. It shows up many times in different places and, yeah, like I’ve been bored with clients at different times too and I, you’re right, I haven’t said to them directly I’m bored or even come from, like I dunno, come from a metaskill. I swear, it’s that, I swear sometimes I start getting like come on, come on, what’s here, and it’s me being able to be with the boredom. So like sometimes am I serving them by shifting the energy when maybe they need to be who they are? And I had a conversation with one of my long term colleagues the other day and like yeah, sometimes I’m far too impatient and not willing, I bring that impatience. I brought that impatience in a team recently and I’m not sure if that did… I brought it intentionally, like, I’m feeling impatient, let me see if, so there was intention there of me bringing a bit of come on, like, let’s do something else. But maybe if I could have stayed and had the opposite there, the metaskill of patience, and just let the, and maybe that’s what they needed in that moment as well, so my colleague was bringing that so again, that balance of there’s something of the polarities of metaskills, can we hold both at the same time, that beauty of co-coaches, I’m just making it up now as I’m speaking, I’ve not thought about this before, but it’s like wow, if there’s one of us bringing patience, the other one impatience, what’s that third entity bringing as well and how does that serve the different parts of the system? 

KC – Yeah and you need both, impatience is so important at times and I wonder whether, for example in my boredom with my client, whether my being like so I want to be honest with you, I feel like I’ve heard this story again, could you shine a spotlight on the information that is new so that I’m clear, because that might have helped me to get out of my boredom and also help the system get clear on what they’re talking about. So I wonder, even in not saying it perhaps, I could have reframed that information in a way that was useful as opposed to just ignoring it or thinking well, that’s not useful here. But the body is so wise. 

KW – It really is, just even from sitting here and hearing you speak and seeing you speak as well, I think you bring an important piece up because I think that’s, when we notice what’s going on in us is when we can actually start to notice what he story is that we’re telling ourselves about number one, what’s, I’m just going to make up, the system’s boring or whatever, or I’m bored with the system, they need too, they need to just get clear of hurry up or somebody just needs to make a decision here, this is some of the things that might go on in my mind but it’s then if I’m not overly conscious then I’m bringing unintentional, well can a metskill be there if it’s unintentional? You know, I might chose to bring something that doesn’t serve them if I’m not aware about what my assumptions are of what I’m making up about them through it, so when we can start too… that’s where I think reflection is an important piece to do. Love debriefing with my co-coaches as well but also going to professional supervision, but the more we can be reflexive, I think is the word when you do it in the moment, and I think that’s where the beauty of metaskills can come, when we start to really in the moment notice the story that we’re making up, the assumptions that we’re making up and therefore, hang on, what am I about to bring into this space here, what do I want to bring into this space, what do I think is going to serve them or not? 

KC – Yeah. Yeah that was such a good point about the stories, my story, I remember when I was in the moment in that session was oh gosh, I’m such a bad coach, why am I not engaged, and actually, in reflection I can see maybe they were bored of this story too, maybe they’re just so bored of living this over and over again, it’s like maybe that’s not just me, maybe that was some really wise intuition going on there. And I think, partly, the issue comes to the fact that we are biased against certain metaskills, right? Like, boredom sounds like a negative one but could it be useful? Probably! In certain situations. 

KW – I think that’s it, isn’t it? The story we make up is frustration’s not good, being angry with my clients, we shouldn’t be angry with our clients, frustration is a big one. Should we be disappointed with our clients? And yet at the same time, or should we even bring that or show that? And, like you say, I think the more that we offer up of ourselves and that lovely phrase coaches instrument, I can really think about metaskills being like that, it’s like the coach is like a tuning fork and they’re sending that energy back out, but like when we can really be engaged with our clients at that, it’s like really at that colleague level at a sense, maybe not colleague, a human level, we’re really meeting them and we’re really using all of us and, like you say, the body too. It feels like that’s where the magic happens, it really does. 

KC – It feels like this is our super power as coaches in many ways, and I know starting out we tend to focus on the steps and what questions we’re going to ask and we have all of our notes, but actually, the piece around what we’re taking in, the energy, that’s going to be so crucial to what happens in the session. 

KW – Yeah. And I think, like you say, I think that’s what takes the coaching to that next level, to that super power level. I think that’s where I’ve seen clients also start to look at their coaches and sort of say how are you doing that? I want to be able to do that, whatever that is. And I actually think that is the super power of being really intentional with the energy, the attitudes, the philosophies that we bring. And I think that’s what we want more of as leaders, right, if we can be intentional and yes, prior to something, an event happening and also after and be reflective there, but the more that we can practice that muscle of in those little moments, those breaths, those sighs that we started out with, and between we can notice what’s going on in here, what’s going on out there and what’s the story it’s making up and be able to choose… and I think it is an offering, right? Because sometimes it’s met and it’s useful and other times it can fall flat and it’s like yep, that wasn’t quite what was needed in this moment here, but now it’s brought something else! 

KC – Yeah, I think that dancing in the moment piece is key because I think about so many times I’ve written down my intention of what I’m taking in today or what metaskill, and then something completely different shows up in the session, and then I’m not actually meeting the system if I hold steadfastly with my initial metaskill. And so that’s sort of in our job description, is to dance, is to improvise and to change and be with them as they change. 

KW – Yeah, it really is. Again, another conversation just last week that I had, and, you know, I’ve done some designing… it was a supervision conversation. I’ve done designing at the beginning, what’s the atmosphere we want to create together, what’s the energy between us? And I think the energy the client came in with was this excitement and this creative sort of energy, and so that’s what we designed that we were going to bring some of that co-creative joyous energy into the space, and within about two minutes of us diving in the client was really quite deep in this sort of pensive, quiet, calm place and I stayed there and then I was like ok hang on, but I said that we would do this, and I went with it and we continued on, and then I paused and said hang on, how are we doing with the energy that’s in this space right now, how is this serving you because you remember we said this is what we were wanting to have in our space and it’s there, but the very different flavor, so to speak, and then they were like yeah, no, this is where we need to be right now and then it came back in at the end. So I had those questions in my head and then I was like oh, but, should we be going in there? No, that doesn’t feel right, let’s go with where the client is at this moment and I don’t think the time is right to shift that, but I did want to check. And then I’ll say, Katie, I do think it’s magic. And maybe I put too much on it, this is maybe ego right, showing up here. When my selves and my co-coaches actually set our initial metaskills as we’re thinking about the system that’s about to show up in the virtual room or the, you know, the in-person room, and we’re thinking about them and we’re noticing what’s here and we set those intentions, and then when we get to the end of the session and we check in with the team, the amount of times that they’ve actually used the exact words that we’ve said and then we’re like oh this is what the experience has been like in this space, and we’re like yes! That is completely, well we don’t always tell them, but we’re like yeah, we actually created that energy here and it actually served them. So, I have to admit, still doing a bit of patting on the back when that happens. 

KC – It is very satisfying though! Because so often we’re not, there’s a huge gap between how we think we’re being and how we actually show up in the world and I think the more we can close that gap through intentionality and setting something like a metaskill, the more we can communicate with impact essentially. 

KW – Yeah, and as I’m listening to you speak there and seeing you speak, it reminds me that yeah we can set that intention and I think the tone of voice and the body language, and the more that we can bring that into the space the more that it amps it up. I actually really enjoy that, the amateur dramatics as I call it. I know that you’re being a professional actress as well, but I do enjoy that amateur dramatics of it and seeing like how using the whole of yourself and brining that out into the space can really shift a system right there in front of us. And I’m just sitting here like thinking about, do I really do that in my every day? Maybe I’m only intentional, you know, I’m saying this, when I’m actually wearing the hat of coach or supervisor! And as I say, I know it’s not true that I’m not using metaskills, but again I think there’s so much more space for us to do that out in the world and shift the energy or end in our everyday existence as well. 

KC – Love that, and I love what you said about are we using our whole self? It comes back to that idea of us, our bodies, we are the resource, and that’s why I feel like actor training, voice training, is so useful, not because everyone wants to be a professional actor, but because actually it helps us to stretch our own range and actually we do show up differently in different parts of our life. We might show up differently when we’re watching our kids’ football game, compared to how we show up in the boardroom. And maybe some of that punchy energy might be useful in an occasional meeting, maybe not. But it’s that choice and I think that’s why it’s useful and what you were saying there made me think that maybe the metaskills are the how, we know what we want to do, we’ve got out tools and we know why, because relationships matter, but maybe the metaskills are the how and the gap filler between those two parts. 

KW – Yeah. Well, even, as you say, the how and the gap between those two parts, I do think about the perfume again and how it can be, like it’s, it’s in the space, right? I don’t know why but I just started thinking about how music, as well, can really shift an atmosphere just like that, right? And so if you use that intentionally it does create that space, but again it’s coming back to the why there, what’s our belief about client or the people in front of us? What’s showing up in us and then, we’re actually wanting to do something when we bring a metaskill right, we’re actually wanting something to happen from it. So, yeah, sort of, I’m just like ooh, you know, if you think about who’s leading the process and how are we leading together, and I’m rambling here, I’m like what am I talking about? But there’s something in there about, yeah, I think I started questioning like woah, this is powerful stuff, right? And so I suddenly got scared of it which is interesting and I don’t think I’ve been scared of metaskills before but just as we started talking I was like wow, in the everyday world, how are we showing up just, even at the supermarket? How do we treat people, that is all… and that comes from the belief, you know, the amount of times that I see people get upset with somebody that’s serving them and it’s not fast enough or whatever, and I notice that in myself from time to time, and then just sort of checking in in what’s the belief, oh, I’m believing that they’re intentionally making me wait or whatever. So if we do that then we come at them with this anger and what are we going to get? What’s that going to create? But then if we believe that, you know, they’re doing the best they can or it’s the process or something else that’s there and ok, what’s actually going to serve, how am I going to show up with yes, I’m still irritated by this but it’s not you doing something to me, that shifts what happens even in that moment. Yeah. It’s powerful and it can be beautiful, right? 

KC – I love what you just said there. You remind me of the gap between stimulus and response that Viktor Frankl talks about and maybe metaskills are how we start to live more intentionally in that space, where we have power, our real power and our freedom and our growth, as you say. And what you said about music fascinated me because I think we all have an example of a song that can bring us to tears, it takes us back to a happy place or a dark place and there’s something about music, I think, that really is quite special. Funnily enough you mention it today, I’ve started, I was running a team coaching session around navigating change and the session was on grieving the disappointed dream, the thing that isn’t going to be happening anymore, and so I knew it was going to be a heavy session so I started it with the song Change by David Bowie, from the Shrek films, so it’s quite a hyped up, pumped up song. I just wanted there to be, and I think in a way that sort of created the beginning of the session for me without me having to do all that much, so maybe there is more space for music. It’s the first time I brought it in but it really is powerful, I think, in terms of shaping an emotional field. 

KW – I’m curious like, yeah, what did you notice in them as you played that and then shifted into the work? 

KC – Yeah, I mean, it was obviously a Monday morning so they were in a different state and then there’s this playful, upbeat music, that’s sort of making fun of something that they’re going through and now which is not fun and really quite serious and they were laughing and smiling and I think there was a sense of just holding both, the binary of who knows what’s good or what’s bad? 

KW – Yeah, and I love that because people either take it or they’ll leave it, right, and it sounded like this system, they were like yeah, ok. Let’s play with this and, like you say, that polarity sort of piece that was in there, it gives range, it gives space, it gives, I don’t know, makeup, the humanness in it and the not taking ourselves so seriously, even in the disappointed dream, right? 

KC – Mmm, and it makes me think as well, maybe as coaches, even if we were not using it necessarily in a session, maybe we can use songs as our hype music, so to speak. I mean that’s what I used to do as an actress, whenever I had a sad scene I had to record sort of four, five times for TV, I always listened to a sad song, it’s a bit of a cheat but it gets you into that space. It’s much easier than trying to get there through the script on the fifth time round, you know, doing that cut. So maybe we can use it if we want to take in something that’s a bit edgy or different from our default. 

KW – Yeah, so I must admit, I’m much more intentional pre coaching when I have a co-coach and I was also exploring that today. And wondering ok what is it, and it’s because I’m speaking it out loud and I’m an extroverted thinker. And just what you’re saying there about the music, I think I could do that when I’m on my own a little bit more and sort of even just listen to some music and pick out yeah, what is it, which of the ranges here do I want too, what am I feeling in my body, what am I thinking about this individual that I’m going to be working with, for instance? What’s going to serve me, what’s going to serve them? So, I love that piece with music. 

KC – Well it came from you, so thank you for that idea! I’m loving the free flow of conversation today, we very much are dancing in the moment here. But you made me think, with regards to music, it’s sort of using the different channels isn’t it? And I guess metaskills shouldn’t just live on paper as a word that you write at the top of your notebook and so maybe for someone else it’s a bit of dance of movement in your body, going for a walk, but how can you get into that metaskill in a way that isn’t just intellectually understanding it, but feeling it and being it? 

KW – Feeling it and being it and I think they often come up for me in metaphors, as well, or in images. So it can take me a little while, as you can hear I can be quite I can be quite   verbose, actually come to the what is the, you know, if we’re trying to work together, what is the metaskill? Like, it’s an image that’ll show up or… that helps me to get there but I might not have the words for it, I suppose it’s like that energy, that intangible essence, because I mean there’s a lot of essence in there and I think there’s a lot of dreaming in there, you know, coming back to what we’re making up about the system, what we’re making up about the feelings or we’re noticing inside us, what are we making up about are we a good coach, do we bring that, is the team needs right now? And then we chose, you know, go into consensus reality, I’m going to go around and see what happens from that. So I love that whole process, that whole cycle, again. That keeps coming up, cycling around in this place. 

KC – Yeah, I really love that. It’s being at choice but it’s not just sticking with one choice because you’re also being with the constant change that’s emerging, so it’s being at choice from moment to moment to moment. 

KW – Yeah. Yeah. And I was thinking, it was Father’s Day recently in Canada and I think, I don’t know if it was in the US as well at the same time? And I don’t even know the UK…. 

KC – It’s the one that’s the same. Mother’s Day’s different.  

KW – Oh it is the same, there we go. So, my father died what, 16, 16 years ago now and I was sort of remembering him and I remember watching him, he was a teacher and he was an athletics coach actually, track and field coach, I remember being in one of his, I think I was 16 and he was training all of the new coaches and I remember him walking into the room and he was just waaa, full of this energy, and I was like my eyes were popping out of my head and we were all glued to him and he took us on this… he started off on this crescendo and then he’d come down and I remember, it was the first time that… I’d seen my dad in action in other ways, but in sort of that being at the front of the room almost and watching the mastery and it was, he really was like the conductor or whatever, taking us on this up and down journey and I was like oh, yeah. I saw that enaction with him in that space and I saw it in many other settings, you know I used to watch him in all the social settings that I used to get to go and follow him around, lots of different things, so I think I had a good role model in someone who was intentionally, but intentionally with his being because I think that’s what it is, right? And I was thinking about the disappointments, it was a track and field disappointments, he’d wait and let me go and do mine, if something had happened in the race and I’d gone and walked around on my own, and I suddenly saw him sitting on the wall with his silly hat on that he’d have and he didn’t say a word and I walked over and he just patted the wall and we just sat there. And you could always feel him and the space in between and just that love and that compassion. And then I remember we sat there in silence, I don’t know how long it was, it felt probably about 10 minutes or something and then I stood up and he stood up and he was like right, are we done? Let that go? Alright? And then it was the funny dad or whatever, so he was a master at sort of just creating that space and being there in the being and really shifting along with what I needed in that time. So, yeah, it’s great to have that role model. 

KC – Beautiful example. I think that’s a lovely way to close our discussion, I didn’t even realize it was around the magic of metaskills, I think that’s what we’ve really come too, it’s that they are magic! 

KW – Yeah, I really think so. Thank you Katie! 

KC – Thank you so much Kerry, this was wonderful. What a journey we’ve been on today, there’s so many metaskills for us as well showing up, I love it. 

KW – Thanks so much Katie. 

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KC – Thanks to Kerry Woodcock for that wonderful exploration of metaskills. Here are my key takeaways. A metaskill is an attitude, philosophy or stance that you bring to a conversation. It’s like perfuming the room with a certain energy that envelopes everything. And metaskills don’t just have to be saved for coaching sessions, we can use them to show up more intentionally in every part of our lives. Metaskills are a two way process, it’s not simply about picking a metaskill at random but being intentional in relation to what you’re sensing and what’s showing up. What is my intuition or gut instinct saying about what this system needs right now? A reflexive thinker will automatically self asses and react to the circumstances as they happen. Reflexive thinking can help us to become aware of the stories and assumptions we’re making up about a client or colleague and gives us space to choose the metaskill that is going to best serve the system in that moment. We can think of a systems leader or a coach like a tuning fork, tapping into our deepest beliefs about spirit, nature and human development, we can come more effective in the ways we live, love and lead. To find out more about the work of Amy Mindell, do check out her book Metaskills – The Spiritual Art of Therapy. And for more information about Kerry’s work and the ORSC program, do check out CRRGlobal.com. For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

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